Comments on: Ask Art: What Is the Biggest Cultural Change Barrier to Lean? https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/ Lean Production | Lean Manufacturing | LEI | Lean Services Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:52:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-82960 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:52:08 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-82960 In reply to Koen Verhaeghe.

Koen, thanks for your comments and examples. Your right that to switch to lean leadership has to not only be committed but understand that to be successful they have to totally change the culture of their organization. Lean can’t exist in a top down “shut up and do as I say” environment. Making sure all kaizen teams are half hourly and half salaried is a step in the right direction but it will take time for managers at the supervisor level to change the way they act and for operators to believe that their ideas will be heard. Without the CEO pushing to make sure this happens not much will change.

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By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-82958 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:42:33 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-82958 In reply to Phil Wilson.

Phil, thanks for your nice comments. I’m glad you enjoyed the post. Art.

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By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-82957 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:40:51 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-82957 In reply to Owen Berkeley-Hill.

Owen, thanks for your great editions to the post. I agree with your analysis that we shouldn’t expect leaders to vary very much from what they have been taught and experienced. Getting this to change is the ongoing challenge for lean. Your example of MBA programs is a good one as most teach no lean or if they do it is just a minor elective. I don’t see any silver bullet solution here. At the same time there is hope as all of us who have been successful at lean came out of the same educational and working experiences you point out yet were able to see a better way and change. So there is hope but progress will continue to be slow I think.

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By: Oleg Zupnik https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-82743 Fri, 17 Mar 2023 09:26:23 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-82743 As always, very precise, comprehensive (systematic) and transparent.
Managing changes and human aspects is a vital part of Lean transformation.
Thank you, Art

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By: Owen Berkeley-Hill https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-80909 Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:03:32 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-80909 Dear Art,
Thank you for the article which I enjoyed reading. You may want to read my response to Dan Jones’ article, “Why Lean Remains a Superior Business Model”. I’ll try to summarise my main points here.

Can we blame the way the vast majority of CEOs and other senior managers think if their education and experience have been at the other end of the spectrum from Lean?

As I said in my response to Dan, the Lean movement seems to avoid taking on the B-Schools and what they teach in their MBAs. Do you know of an MBA degree which has as its foundation Lean? At best, Lean is taught as a forgettable subset of Operations. What is made worse is the strong influence of Fred W Taylor and Milton Friedman on the degree. Why would an MBA-educated CEO invest money in educating people with (to quote the lyrics of Sixteen Tons) “minds that are weak and backs that are strong”? Why would acolytes of that quasi-religion, Freidmanism, consider lifelong learning to be in the best interests of the organisation, its people and the communities in which they live if they are continually chanting the mantra, “maximise shareholder value” and looking for lower labour costs? You only have to look at the long-term decline of once-great companies like GM or Ford to see what Friedmanism does over time.

Lean has gradually moved from the Toolbox to the “softer” bits of Toyota’s leadership philosophy, for example, the emphasis on coaching using A3 as a great framework for dialogue. But does it make sense to expect managers and supervisors to be great coaches if they were never taught and encouraged to do this? We should heed the example of the Jesuits and their claim, “Give me the boy until he is seven and I will show you the man”. Does it not make sense to teach the “soft” bits of Lean to young people when they are around 16 before they enter the workplace? They could then follow your advice and choose organisations they can see are serious about Lean.

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By: Phil Wilson https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-80209 Tue, 07 Mar 2023 20:50:03 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-80209 Fabulous article, Art.

We wholeheartedly applaud your Value Chain Management leadership!

Phil Wilson,
Global Managing Director

The Association of Value Chain Organizations
aka The BreakPoint Consortium Blockchain community

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By: Koen Verhaeghe https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-80128 Tue, 07 Mar 2023 15:05:45 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-80128 Thank you Art for highlighting the importance of leadership commitment. There is however, from my point of view also another factor influencing how an organisation handles lean transformation, i.e. the local culture.
The way people have been raised and guided through their personal and professional careers influences the way people look at things and how they cope with change.
If you have operators that were never allowed to change things because their supervisor “was always right”, it’s very likely they will not take any initiative to start implementing lean basics. Only when people are allowed to try and make mistake, learn from them and then retry, they will start embracing more and more lean.
Regardless the level of management one is in, leading is also giving the opportunity to grow.
After all, experience = the sum of all lessons learned from mistakes made…

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By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-76128 Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:31:35 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-76128 Stephan, Thanks for your comments. Yes you find the same resistance in the same places almost every where regardless of the industry or business. Keep fighting the good fight.

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By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-76125 Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:28:59 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-76125 In reply to bill Calderon.

Bill, thanks for your comments I’m glad you enjoyed the post. It is amazing how the same issues and resistance are found just about every where.

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By: Art Byrne https://www.lean.org/the-lean-post/articles/what-is-the-biggest-cultural-change-barrier-to-lean/#comment-76124 Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:26:46 +0000 https://www.lean.org/?p=24277#comment-76124 In reply to Perry Ford.

Perry, thanks for your comments. You make a very important observation that executives who can’t get on board with lean usually leave on their own. We almost never had to fire the concrete heads. In fact it was to our advantage to help them find a job with one of our competitors to keep them from becoming lean.

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